Talk:Jaguars in Mesoamerican cultures

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Hi, I suggest moving this article from "The Jaguar" to the title "The jaguar in Mesoamerica" or something similar. Any objection? -- Infrogmation 21:05, 8 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Oops. Hadn't seen that comment. It seemed slightly nonconformist with the title beginning with "The". Are you happy with it here, would you like to move it back, or shall we look for some other place for it? (Mesoamerican jaguar cults, perhaps?) –Hajor 04:09, 10 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Your move to "Jaguars in Mesoamerican culture" is fine by me. -- Infrogmation 05:19, 10 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Added extensive material formerly at Olmec article

To whom it may concern: I added (and tried to merge) in an extensive and well-written essay on the were-jaguar which was consuming much of the Olmec article. It could probably be blended with the previous content of this page a bit better.

At the same time, I put in headers and fixed some links. Madman 04:46, 23 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, me again. I got around to trying to better merge the two were-jaguar articles, and did an alright job, I guess. Is it just me, or are folks all over the map on the interpretation of this? I almost believe that nothing is known and everything is theorized. Madman 05:39, 1 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, it's me all over again. Who would believe a year's gone by?

Anyway, I've been looking at this article again, and it looks to me like the were-jaguar section has taken over this article like it almost did the Olmec article. The section contains over half the words here, and so I think it's time to break it out into its own article and leave a summary here. Not sure what to call it? Olmec were-jaguar??? What do you think?? Madman 03:16, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Balam?

A quick question, out of curiosity - I know that among a least a few Maya languages, jaguars are called "balam" - As I don't really know much about the highland languages, I was curious if this was consistent among all Maya languages - anyone with the expertise know? thanks! -- Oaxaca dan 13:21, 23 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It is. In some languages is is pronounced bolom, in other bahlum but the root is etymologically the same. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Maunus (talk • contribs) 14:55, 23 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Jaguar worship elsewhere in the Americas

Would information about jaguar worship elsewhere in the Americas (e.g., Chincha Alta in Peru) be considered relevant here? Jarble (talk) 01:34, 21 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It might warrant a brief mention that jaguar worship was common in a large portion of the Americas, but nothing too specific - Peru is well outside Mesoamerica. Regards, Simon Burchell (talk) 10:47, 21 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That would be more appropriate for my article, that is South American jaguar. Leo1pard (talk) 13:17, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This article is AI-generated

It is very easy to see that most of the content on this page is written by AI. I couldn't find who and when did it, but it definitely was not here since the beginning, as the page was made in 2003. Here are some suspected paragraphs and texts that probably were made with AI:

1. "Quick, agile, and powerful enough to take down the largest prey in the jungle"

2. "Endowed with a spotted coat and well-adapted for the jungle, hunting either in the trees or water, making it one of the few felines tolerant of water, the jaguar was, and remains, revered among the Indigenous Americans who live in its range."

3. "The jaguar's formidable size, reputation as a predator, and its evolved capacities to survive in the jungle made it an animal to be revered. The Olmec and the Maya witnessed this animal's habits, adopting the jaguar as an authoritative and martial symbol, and incorporated the animal into their mythology. The jaguar stands today, as it did in the past, as an important symbol in the lives of those who coexist with this felid."

4. "No doubt, the jaguar's brilliant coat made it quite desirable, however, not all were allowed to don the jaguar pelt as it became the identification of the ruling class for the Maya. Not only did Maya kings wear jaguar pelts, but they also adopted the jaguar as part of their ruling name, as a symbol of their might and authority."

Although it is debatable if 1 and 4 are actually written by AI, there is no doubt that 2 and 3 were at least made 90% with the help of AI. It doesn't look recent though, as ChatGPT and other chatbot AIs don't write so vaguely as they did before, which may point out that it was made before GPT-4.

It can be easily seen as not written by a human because it is giving random words very strong and specific adjectives, being very vague and not specific at all, closing the paragraph with a summary or closing line such as "The jaguar stands today" and "the jaguar was, and remains" in multiple paragraphs, when the text is not even close to ending, using words/sentences that humans, even formally, rarely use anymore in such frequency compared to AI chatbots ("to be revered", for example), and many more identifiable signs that this text has a large portion that is written with AI. ChatGPT is notorious to use in its responses all these features of speech, and someone that frequently deals with AI-generated text/content can easily see just from the structure of a paragraph that a human does not write like that.

This proves that not only the text is written with the help of AI, which itself already causes numerous problems (other than moral ones), much of this text is directly pasted from ChatGPT, and the culprit didn't even bother to fact-check them, remove their hideous and explicit partiality, or even try to disguise it. This article, at least in the beginning or/and the parts that have AI-generate content, is extremely subjective, ridiculously biased, and has a lot of opinion and exaggerated adjectives. All of this seriously compromises the factuality and seriousness of this article, other than being not allowed on Wikipedia (direct pasting from ChatGPT).

Also, this isn't to say that the entire article is written by AI, just a significant portion of it. Xenovok (talk) 18:18, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I noticed the same and came here hoping someone would be talking about it, the tone of this article is bizarre, like a child trying to pad out an essay with filler words and contentless trite statements and without saying any actual information of value. Given that it's ai there's no guarantee anything is true and there's scant citations so it needs far more than just a tone rewrite. 81.99.225.72 (talk) 05:26, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]